[Snort-users] Snorby opinions

Paul Halliday paul.halliday at ...11827...
Mon Jun 6 16:33:05 EDT 2011


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Dustin Webber <dustin.webber at ...11827...> wrote:
> Randy,
> | | But PHP still kings with options and available classes (Zend rocks).
> Not 100% sure what this means but if you type rails, node and even django
> into github.com you will be flooded with more plugins, engines and libraries
> then you can handle in a lifetime (also I would argue that this is a bad
> thing).
> - PHP was created from a bunch of perl scripts and hacked into a language
> from a poorly written framework. (not my words.. the creator of phps..
> google it)
> - It has no object model.
> - It's known around the world as the most vulnerably language/project to
> ever be released publicly.
> - Inheritance is php -- It just copies the code into memory
> and basically pastes it into a 'class' (I find it hard to call them classes
> because is CS a php class is more of a module).
> - PHP didn't even support encoding until like last year man.
> - There are no evented frameworks for PHP.. good luck writing a nonblocking
> server or web application.
> - There is no good ORMS for php.. people still even write SQL inline ..
> srsly??
> - There is no good MVC frameworks.. please don't say cakephp or
> coreigniter.. wow.. huge fails.
> - There are no such thing as closures in php.. forget about keeping your
> code dry or writing custom api/dsls.
> etc.. etc..
>http://www.codedifferent.com/2008/04/02/ruby-on-rails-or-zend-framework-%E2%80%93-deciding-now/
> read the first comment from the creator of your Zend framework.. hes 100%
> correct.. php was not designed properly.. its just the truth.. its like
> using a gocart someone modified to be drivable on the highway. There is just
> so much more polished software out there man - You don't see many people
> building websites with vbscript right? you could.. totally.. buy why not?
> anyways .. we got way off topic here.. not the best place for language wars
> but there are a bunch of articles on php design flaws and go way more in
> depth.. check it out.
> Dustin W. Webber
> Dustin.Webber at ...11827...
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Randal T. Rioux <randy at ...13561...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 6/6/2011 1:38 PM, Dustin Webber wrote:
>> > All,
>> >
>> > I would like to clarify that I was talking about the languages -- not
>> > applications written in them. If you're a good programmer you could
>> > build amazing applications with anything. Just consider
>> > all languages before you start a new project. If that language works
>> > best for the job... then use it. (except php.. never use that.)
>>
>> I'm curious, what is wrong with PHP? The only cripple I see in usage is
>> poor development practices - not the language itself. Personally, I love
>> PHP. Went to it from J2EE. Recently, though, I've started playing with
>> Ruby (seems pleasant so far). But PHP still kings with options and
>> available classes (Zend rocks).
>>
>> > Honestly.. we should all be writing in TCL anyways...
>>
>> And LISP and Pascal. Dude... let it go :-)
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
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If the content of this thread was actually blocks of PHP or Ruby, It
might have done something useful ;)
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