[Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released
eric.hines at ...8860...
Thu Nov 2 22:30:44 EST 2006
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What part do you or "Loyal" not understand about my admission to doing
it in the past as well? And I do find it legitimate to respond to a
person's post asking for Snort management consoles, whether its you, me,
or RA. But Remote Assessment is actually posting holiday special pricing
to this list with that are not replies -- I mean come on.
.. and yet you still completely missed my point.
Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
Applied Watch Technologies, LLC
1095 Pingree Road
Crystal Lake, IL 60014
Toll Free: (877) 262-7593
Fax: (847) 854-5106
Cell: (847) 456-6785
Jeff Dell wrote:
> You said:
> "If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true open source
> product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
> think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
> products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen Jeff Dell do
> the same thing in the past)."
> Then you give an example in another email that you claim is a great example
> on how I did this. Lets take a look at the full original email without the
> bottom half removed like you posted. As you can see I did nothing more
> then answer the person's request. I did not post an announcement like you
> claim. What is really interesting about the email you claim I am doing
> marketing with... if you scroll down on that same link you will see your
> reply to that same email with information about your product. Hmmm.. Maybe
> that wasn't such a good example?
> I have however sent many emails over the last 6 years announcing the release
> of our completely free product that is not sold or offered as a commercial
> solution .
>  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=15364007
>  http://www.activeworx.org/programs/idspm/
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Hines [mailto:eric.hines at ...8860...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:05 PM
>> To: Jeff Dell
>> Cc: snort-users at lists.sourceforge.net;
>> administration at ...13693...
>> Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released
> My statement was companies that have a free version and a commercial
> version of their solution.
> With you: IDS Policy Manager and your commercial product Activeworx
> Security Center.
> My point is, I can see abuse of this list by companies who make a
> stripped down version of their product for free and then use this list
> to "announce" that free version of their commercial solutions (Remote
> Assessment/Aanval). They click on the site to check out this stripped
> down version only to come upon the commercial product. I just think
> companies who have free stripped down versions of their product they
> sell shouldn't be allowed to market it on this list.
> Its ingenious I think -- limit some capabilities of your product and
> call it a free version in order to be able to market your company on
> this mailing list.
> Alright, yeah, we did it once :) I suppose I'm just tired of seeing
> Remote Assessments constant posts to this list for Aanval.
> The Halloween
> sale was the "straw that broke the camel's back" with me.
> Here is a post by you on April 10th which is a great example
> of what I'm
> talking about. Anyway, I don't want this to turn in to a flame war so
> I'll drop it. I said my piece.
> --- snip ---
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [Snort-users] Snort Front-ends
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:02:36 -0400
> From: Jeff Dell <jdell at ...1095...>
> To: 'Arif Basha' <arif.basha at ...13756...>, 'Snort Mailing
> <snort-users at lists.sourceforge.net>
> Activeworx has a few products that are free and commercial.
> Free solutions:
> IDS Policy Manager - Snort Rules manager that runs on Windows and will
> support sensors running on Microsoft and any OS that supports
> SSH. Website:
> Honeynet Security Console - Snort event manager that runs on Windows.
> Website: http://www.activeworx.org
> Activeworx Security Center - Affordable commercial Snort
> event manager/SIM
> that can centralize Snort sensors/databases, schedule
> reports, correlate
> against vulnerabilities and events, interactive graphs, event
> diagrams, plus a lot more. Website: http://www.activeworx.com
> Best Regards,
> Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
> CEO, President
> Applied Watch Technologies, LLC
> 1095 Pingree Road
> Suite 221
> Crystal Lake, IL 60014
> Toll Free: (877) 262-7593
> Fax: (847) 854-5106
> Cell: (847) 456-6785
> Web: www.appliedwatch.com
> Jeff Dell wrote:
>>>>> If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true
>>>>> open source
>>>>> product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
>>>>> think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
>>>>> products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen
>>>>> Jeff Dell do the same thing in the past).
>>>> I would have to completely disagree with you. I have NEVER
> sent an email
>>>> about our commercial software. We have however sent many
> emails over the
>>>> years about our FREE product IDS Policy Manager. We have
> never collected a
>>>> dime for this software and have even turned away people who
> wanted to donate
>>>> money to help with development. We don't have a commercial
> version of the
>>>> product and we never will. We develop this product to give
> back to the
>>>> community. Heck we even offer free support... So I would
> love to see the
>>>> email where you claim I am marketing a commercial product.
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