[Snort-sigs] Please remove the word "nazi" from the website
john.nagro at ...2420...
Wed Aug 11 07:24:05 EDT 2004
I'm not sure whats more hypocritical, you telling us how
un-judgemental you are, or you assuring us that youre totaly in
support of freedom of speech and against censorship. When people like
you take action against things like this we slowly start to draw a
line in the sand. This line slowly gets more and more defined untill
we're totaly unable to discuss or challenge anything. The snort
developers were certainly not using those words to support the nazi
party, or to put down a group of people (even if they were they have
their rights). They were using the word's more modernized meaning, a
meaning that has developed over the last 60+ years since the war. If
anything, i'm glad we can use this word like this. It reminds us all
of what happened. If we shut out the past, if we tuck away things that
'dont feel good', then we will simply forget and repeat.
Who's to say what we can and cannot discuss or talk about. The stance
of the United States goverment is that we can do what we want untill
we take away the rights of another. Snort.org has a right to say this,
and i have a right to hear it. If you dont want to, you dont have too.
I dont want to get into a heated discussion on this mailing list,
because this is not what this is for. If you want to talk about it
further email me directly.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:21:54 -0700 (PDT), Joseph Gama
<josephgama at ...144...> wrote:
> Thank you so much for making that change.
> I am not being judgemental and I am aware that it was
> just there for fun but I still believe this is for the
> best to remove it. Once when I was searching something
> online I found, I am not sure if it was the old logo
> of the Snort project, or some related website and it
> was a bleeding pig's head on a stick. It was just for
> fun too but it reminded me instantly of pictures from
> the war that I saw when I was a kid. Human heads on
> sticks with the bloody skin from the neck hanging.
> That was another war and I was 4 when it ended. Yes,
> you are right about not having to be too sensitive
> about certain things and I belieeve in freedom of
> speech and I am totally against censorship. What
> worries me are the recent statistics on hate crimes
> and the negative effects of TV on kids and teens.
> There was a time when you could ask a stranger to hold
> your baby while you would go to the restroom. Things
> have changed and I maybe this is not the time to take
> some words back. I hope it will change but it takes
> Joseph Gama
> --- Brian <bmc at ...95...> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 12:02:34PM -0700, Joseph
> > Gama wrote:
> > > I know that it is a joke about the "soup nazi" in:
> > >
> > > http://www.snort.org/snort-db/help.html
> > >
> > > However, it upsets me and it might be funny in the
> > context of a
> > > sitcom but there are still many wounds from WWII
> > and from the recent
> > > recruiting of young people into radical or cult
> > like groups, often
> > > with idealistic aims but with a mad man in charge.
> > Any comments?
> > Well, the change has been made, since offending
> > people without
> > style isn't our game.
> > However, this term has been in place for the Snort
> > community for
> > years. This is the first complaint anyone has put
> > forward. In fact,
> > Marty nicknamed me the "Snort Signature Nazi"
> > because of my seemingly
> > dictatorial control of the ruleset that whipped it
> > into shape oh so
> > many years ago. Hell, I wore the "title" with
> > pride.
> > Of course, the term has always been used in jest,
> > with most people
> > referring to me in terms of the "Benevolent Rule
> > Nazi". No, I'm not
> > making that up, grep shows the term is used quite
> > often.
> > Don't take my comments as if I don't care for
> > history. My grandfather
> > fought in the Pacific and had a bad back until the
> > day he died because
> > of it. My great-uncle had permanent white hair from
> > the three weeks
> > he was "treed" in the middle of a german encampment
> > without being
> > noticed. I have (and always have had) great respect
> > for those that
> > have fought and those that continue to fight for the
> > freedoms I live
> > with on a daily basis.
> > Since we are not out to offend, the change has been
> > made. But in the
> > future, you need to grow some thicker skin. You are
> > living in the
> > days of the Internet now. You are going to run
> > across things that
> > offend you. You are going to see things you want
> > changed but do not
> > have any control over. Hell, some of the most
> > upsetting things I've
> > ever seen on the Internet came from my work as an
> > IDS analyst.
> > Think of some of the worst possible things you could
> > find with an IDS
> > and I've found them. I've put calls directly into
> > the FBI and had
> > people picked up shortly afterward thanks to some
> > horrid things I've
> > seen from being an IDS analyst.
> > If you don't grow some thick skin, you might want to
> > consider a
> > different job cause this one can turn your stomach
> > if you are not
> > careful.
> > Brian
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